Your carrying capacity is usually 15x your strength score and you can lift 30x your strength score. New comments … We are going to be starting at level 5 and carry weight is a concern. Oooh, Hexblade is fun! Or the magic initiate (wizard) so you can take mage armor + 2 useful cantrips. Press J to jump to the feed. Agree with others that it's not worth the dip just for the armor. If carry capacity is a thing: hire a mule. Mage armor is going to net you ~10% effective hps assuming you use a shield, start with studded leather as your alternative, have 16 dex, and are facing enemies with ~+5 bonus to hit. Is armor of shadows worth a 2 level warlock dip? 11 comments. There are also other feats that could grant ac to a dex fighter such as defensive duelist or two weapon fighter. And speaking of reactions... HBs get access to Shield at level one, right out of the gates. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Hit one enemy three times, it hurls back 30 feet. Better to sacrifice one ASI than two levels. Multiple hits on one target send it back 10x(hits) feet. So be generous with your at-will Mage Armor! Got bad luck, found yourself surrounded with lots of baddies coming up in the attack order? Mage Armor has a range of touch, and is not concentration. If you wanted the dip for the other things then AoS isn’t a terrible choice, but it’s hardly a particularly good one either. Even if you have low Charisma, much of the warlock spellbook is highly based in utility and requires no attack rolls or saving throws. You may not get to four attacks if you multiclass, I forget the fighter class progression. Just came back to AC and was wondering if the new Darkened Mind Shadow Armor was worth farming for. There aren't many good pack animals where we are so getting one is going to be outside of our pay grade for a while. Add Curse to that. Plus you can get some useful cantrips like minor illusion and message. Cast Shield as a reaction to the first would-be hit and laugh your ass off at all the damage you've just avoided. Take a Feat that grants it (Magic Initiate, Eldritch Afept if okayed by DM) or one level in Wizard. If ua is allowed, you could also take the brawny feat to double the weight you can lift. Mage Armor is a fantastic spell and getting it for free is wonderful. Just one. Fighters get plenty of ASIs, why not just take wizard initiate? You’ll only be able to cast it once, but how often do you need a spell more than 8 hours in a day? Now you don't even have to disengage, and you still have full movement and a bonus action and reaction left. Compared to 2 lvls of Warlock it doesn't have the best martial benefits as a hexblade or the other invocation to take but the benefit is you only need one level in it for the permanent 13+ dex that can't be beaten by anti magic and you have a wider range/number of spells that you can cast. Being able to knock back targets ten feet with each ray of your eldritch blast is DAMN good. The invocation let's you cast mage armor at will without M components, is it worthy? It’s not the best use of your asi, but it’s much better than wasting two levels on warlock. The mule thing is the main problem. A subreddit dedicated to the various iterations of Dungeons & Dragons, from its First Edition roots to its Fifth Edition future. Thanks. We are going to be starting at level 5 and carry weight is a concern. The great thing about invocations is that if it turns out you don't like it after giving it a solid test run, you can swap it out when you level … save. This isn’t your question, but it is a fun thing about Armor of Shadows. One more level.". Is the free armor and a few spells worth missing out on extra attack? Casting Mage Armor once or twice per Long Rest is enough, it lasts 8 hours. The real cost evaluation is how useful you think that +1 or 2 to A.C. is compared to the other invocations you want. I started off Rogue and multiclassed HB, and each time I think I'm going back we reach a level up and I think... "well, one more level in warlock can't hurt." If you were going to go this route, doesn’t a 1 level dip into draconic sorcerer make more sense for dragonic resilience? Extra attack will net you a 100% increase in damage output. Even if they DO have BS/TS, just stay out of the range of that form of sight and shoot them with arrows or something, you'll still get the advantage to hit). This is cast as a reaction and gives +5 AC until the start of your next turn. And then, "oh crap, I can get this Invocation too?! Your HB Curse adds damage equaling your Proficiency each time damage is rolled, and as a fighter you will be getting lots and lots of extra attacks, meaning lots and lots of extra Curse damage. If the only/primary reason for the dip is AoS? You might take two and realize you're addicted. Assuming you'll be taking advantage of hex warrior to use charisma for basically everything, I'm not sure armor of shadows is worth it. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If you do go that route, definitely pick up booming blade to compensate a bit on damage. But I wouldn't do it just for that. I don't know how you or your DM feel about playing one of the Monster races, but Bugbear has some feats that are interesting for a Dex fighter: Extra 5 feet of reach on melee attacks on your turn, Extra 2d6 damage once per combat if you hit an enemy that is surprised, Throwing another option out there as well: take one level of draconic sorcerer. Happened to me. Depends on what kind of warlock you're playing and how often you'll end up being targeted by enemies. Also! hide. The third level spells are not to be ignored. D&D 5e. As for carrying capacity, if you choose a race from Volos Guide with the powerful build trait (Firbolg, Goliath, Bugbear, or Orc) you instantly double both your carrying capacity and the amount you can lift, push or drag. And for that you get serious buffs: Invisibility (sneak your way out of combat if you're surrounded, get to a better position, Maneuver from there); Hunger of Hadar can cut a battlefield directly in half and lasts as long as you can maintain concentration (which should be fine, since you have a fighter's Constitution); Devil's Sight invocation in combination with the Darkness spell means they can't see you, but you can see them (so long as its in effect and your target does not have some form of Blindsight or Trueseeing, you get advantage on every attack you make and they get disadvantage on hitting YOU! With Powerful Build your carrying capacity is now 30 x your strength and you can lift 60 x your strength score for some real shenanigans. share. - very much not worth it.It’s only a 1 point AC boost over non-magical light armour and not a boost at all compared to magical armours. Its funnnn, aid other tabletop gamers in creating memorable characters, Press J to jump to the feed. if you don't have access to medium armour it's very useful to pretty much always be able to have mage armour up as 13+dex is better than light armour. Depends on what kind of warlock you're playing and how often you'll end up being targeted by enemies. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. You hit your Cursed target with a crit on a roll of a 19 or 20, and if you do that with advantage, your odds of hitting a crit go up from 5% (roll a 20, no advantage) to 19% (roll a 19 or 20 with advantage). If you wanna take 2 levels of Warlock only for Mage Armor, don't. Very not worth giving up that much damage. You get AC 13+Dex and more utility cantrips as well as 1st level spells. If it's particularly useless, your GM might be generous enough to let you swap early too. I am making a dex fighter and I am wondering if taking 2 levels of warlock is worth it for the at will mage armor. Cookies help us deliver our Services. That's easily achievable with medium armor at 14 Dex and you can eventually surpass it without any further stat investment (but you'd get disadvantage on stealth). I am making a dex fighter and I am wondering if taking 2 levels of warlock is worth it for the at will mage armor. Enjoyyyy :). 100% Upvoted. Edit: I should also mention that my race is mark of passage human and the subclasses I am taking are battlemaster and hexblade with the dueling style. You probably won't raise your Dex above 16 which gives you an AC of 16 with mage armor. And ALSO: remember that thing where you get advantage on almost all of your attacks with DS/D? This thread is archived. If you want mage armor, a more efficient way (it’s still not worth it) you can look at the magic initiate: wizard feat and grab mage armor, booming blade, and some utility cantrip (light, mage hand, minor illusion, mold earth, etc) with your level 4 asi. If you do try it, be sure to post how its going! But theoretically, if you did, you'd have a chance to land at least one crit 57% of the time if you took four attacks with advantage and a crit range of 19 or 20. report. Additionally you could choose EK as your subclass, and get it via your subclass spells (probably the most efficient option). Give it to your casters, give it to your rogues, give it to your familiars, give it to your summons. I get super excited thinking about this because, damn, minmaxing tends to shit all over roleplay but in this case the roleplay possibility is so damn GOOD, especially if you were a fighter than got enticed by a mysterious blade. Okay one more thing: don't ignore Repelling Blast. 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